Rerun Junkie Character–Wo Fat

Police procedurals will sometimes brush their heroes up against the international. However being set in Oahu during the Cold War, it made sense that Hawaii Five-O would feature perhaps more than the average politically based storylines. So, naturally, a recurring villain of this caliber would be a perfect nemesis for the great Steve McGarrett. Enter the most diabolical foreign agent to ever grace the Hawaiian Islands: Wo Fat.

Played impeccably by the wonderful Khigh Dhiegh, Wo Fat is introduced to us in the very first episode of the series, “Cocoon”, as the mastermind who uses sensory deprivation to break people for useful information. The cocoon set-up is something out of a horror film -the victims fitted in a wet suit, their ears and nose filled with a kind of putty, blindfolded, placed in a tank of water, breathing through a tube- and Wo Fat is the perfect man to implement such a horrific torture. He’s dressed in a suit and his almost relaxed demeanor about the horrific psychological torture he’s inflicting on his captive speaks to how comfortable the man is with cruelty in the pursuit of his goals. He’s ruthless, but he’s no brute. Intelligent and sophisticated, Wo Fat sets himself up as a formidable foe from the very beginning.

Unlike other villains who might be motivated by vengeance or the need for power, Wo Fat’s motivation comes from patriotism. Just as Steve McGarrett loves and wants to defend his country, Wo Fat loves and wants to empower his. In a way he’s seeking power, but not necessarily personally. He benefits as his country benefits. It’s an interesting motivation because when viewed through a certain lens, one could say that Wo Fat is merely an employee who excels at and takes joy in his job. We love a person who takes pride in their work.

And Wo Fat puts in the work. What sets him apart from other operatives of the time is his investment in his work. In the two-part episode “The Ninety-Second War”, it was revealed that Wo Fat had spent years investing in a frame job against Steve McGarrett, an elaborate, labor-intensive scheme that necessitated the creation of a doppelganger, a Swiss bank account, millions of dollars of apparent bribes and payoffs accumulated over three years, and a staged car accident to trigger the culmination of this plot -a distraction to divert attention away from a Chinese missile test. With McGarrett occupied with clearing his name, he won’t have time to even realize that Wo Fat has strong armed a scientist by kidnapping his daughter into purposely blacking out the Pacific missile tracking system for ninety-seconds, the time China needs to perform their test.

It’s intricate, meticulous planning that proves to be a Wo Fat trademark. The man would rather go big and then go home. Whether it be an elaborate frame, faking a tidal wave, using his spies to brainwash people into murder, kidnapping children as a form of leverage, working with the Russians to obtain counterfeit currency plates, orchestrating two murders to smuggle a device out of the country, stealing deadly toxins, Wo Fat’s flair for the dramatic is on display. What else could you expect from a man with his own submarine and a few doubles of his own?

I think the episode “…And a Time to Die” gives the audience an excellent insight into Wo Fat’s character. In order to guarantee that a man dies on the operating table after a botched assassination attempt, Wo Fat kidnaps the brain surgeon’s daughter, calmly explaining to the agonized parents that it would be in the child’s best interest if the doctor allows the man to die during surgery. It’s such a well done, well-written, well-acted scene because Wo Fat explains this entire heinous act as an unfortunate, but necessary step to gain his objective. At one point, he actually says that he’s as much of a victim as the parents and the child are, insinuating that if the assassin had done his job, then none of this would be happening.

However, my favorite line from that scene is Wo Fat clarifying the trustworthiness of his word.

“You’re wondering if you can trust me to keep my word. I can assure you…you can. I would genuinely hate to harm your child. But more important, in my profession, a man cannot be afforded a credibility gap. He must keep his promises if he wants anybody to believe his threats.”

It is such a good line and it’s delivered so beautifully.

As for the child in question, we learn even more about Wo Fat from his interaction with the little girl, Ellen. He doesn’t want her to be frightened of them and even offers her some lunch. He then tells her how important it is to be brave, telling her a story about a little girl he knew a long time ago, about how he and the child’s mother tried to keep her safe and teach her to be brave during “a time of great war” in his country. He doesn’t finish the story, getting choked up at the unsaid fate of the little girl after she ran out into the street during the fighting. The implication is that Wo Fat’s daughter was killed during the war, and that his patriotism is, at least in part, motivated by her death.

Wo Fat is then delighted to find out that Ellen plays chess and offers to play her a game. When he finds out that she likes chess best when her mother lets her win, he agrees that winning is the most important thing, but after a beat admits he doesn’t always enjoy it, inferring that while Wo Fat is invested in being excellent at his job, he’s not always at peace with what he has to do to accomplish his objectives. I’m guessing kidnapping and harming children would fall into that category.

That one scene adds so much complexity to an already intriguing character. His actions -his elaborate plots and plans executed over the course of 12 seasons and 13 episodes- take on a new depth when viewed through that framework.

Even though Wo Fat was Steve McGarrett’s greatest nemesis, he wasn’t even in every season of Hawaii Five-O, failing to appear in the 6th, 10th, and 11th seasons. However, in a fitting farewell to the show, as it began, so it ended, with Steve McGarrett facing off with Wo Fat. In the final episode of the series, McGarrett finally gets his man, going undercover as a scientist in order to be kidnapped by Wo Fat, who’s going full Pokemon trying to collect the whole set in order to have the four men create a space-based laser weapon.

Go big and then take it on home.

The series ends with McGarrett finally getting his man, a fitting end to the show and a satisfying conclusion to the relationships between the two men. While Steve has no love for Wo Fat, Wo Fat has a certain amount of admiration and respect for Steve. He sees him as an enemy, sure, but he also sees something of himself in McGarrett, a man motivated to excel in his job. The difference between them lies in the execution. Their differing moral standards allows for weaknesses to be exploited and strengths to be uncovered. The dynamic between the two men is impressive, especially when you consider that there are episodes when they never directly interact. But when they do, Jack Lord and Khigh Dheigh set fire to the screen bringing these two characters to life. These two men going back and forth is something to be savored.

Though Wo Fat was apprehended in the final episode, I find it hard to believe that this cool, sophisticated, intelligent villain would have been kept behind bars for long.

A man like that always has a plan.

Book ’em Danno–Episode 62

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Season 5 is almost over but Five-O’s work is never done.

First they have to solve a tricky murder in “Percentage” and then Chin Ho is beside himself when his daughter gets involved with the son of a criminal family in “Engaged To Be Buried”.

For whatever reason, I was rather verbose talking about these two episodes, so the overall episode is a little long. I suppose I could have cut my thoughts on henchman fashion or trash men, but this the important and insightful analysis people tune in for.

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When your in a criminal family, it’s important to dress the part.

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Let’s Make Bad Decisions for Fun and Plot Lines

In an episode of the short-lived ’70s cop show Chopper One called “The Informer”, Dick Van Patten is in police protective custody so he can testify against a mobster. Our mains, Foley and Burdick, use the police helicopter to take him to a safe house…where he later calls his wife and tells her exactly where he is so she can come see him.

It’s a frustratingly stupid decision, one you know that the bad guys will capitalize on by following the wife out to the beach house of hiding. I am on record stating that I wanted something bad to happen to Dick Van Patten for this dipshittery. And yet! We wouldn’t have an episode if he hadn’t made this poor choice. Or we wouldn’t have this episode. Things would have played out much differently for everyone involved otherwise.

And like I said in my recorded statements, I can’t even really be mad about it because people willingly make such terrible decisions in real life.

Making bad life choices is sort of a key component to cop shows. Someone has to make the dubious decision to commit a crime, after all. That’s what gets the ball rolling. If people left the house every morning with the goal of making good choices, our TV cops would be out of work.

It’s not just criminals making poor life choices. There are the bad decisions by the (mostly) law abiding citizens that skitter events in a different direction. Like Dick Van Patten making that ill-advised phone call to his wife. Or the guy in the CSI: Miami episode “Long Gone”. The dad and his family are kidnapped because dear ol’ dad finds drugs buried on his property and decides to go into business for himself.

And then there are the guys (so often they’re men) that compound one bad decision with another. Like the rancher in the Hawaii Five-O episode “Paniolo” who lets his anger get the best of him when dealing with a real estate developer. The physical altercation leads to the developer’s accidental death, and instead of contacting the police, he decides to stage the developer’s death as a car accident. Does it work? No, of course it doesn’t work. It just makes things a whole lot worse.

Or the guy in the Law & Order: Criminal Intent episode “Homo Homini Lupus”, who gets in trouble by failing to repay a loan shark in a timely fashion. As a result, his family is kidnapped. Does he accept help from the authorities? Of course not. Why would he do such a thing? That would make sense, at least in the world of TV law enforcement. So, shit gets to go extra pear shaped for his sins.

Sometimes it’s hard to believe people could be such dipsticks. And then you read the latest Florida Man story. We can say all we want that the bad decisions people make on TV are unbelievable, but we know deep down that’s not necessarily true.

I realize I’m focusing on cop shows here, but that’s only because it’s my area of expertise, so to speak. Bad decisions motivate plots in other genres, too. The plot of more than one episode of Stargate: Atlantis was motivated by Dr. Rodney McKay’s ego-driven bad decisions.

Family-oriented sitcoms thrive on the bad choices of their precocious children. With the TGIF line-up, I know I put a slew of bad decisions in front of my eyeballs back in the day. The only one that sticks out in my memory is the Full House episode “I’m Not D.J.”, in which Stephanie allows Kimmy -of all people- to pierce her ears against her father’s wishes so she can impress her friends. It’s a relatable dubious decision because kids don’t have the life experience to know better than to do stupid shit. They’ve got to do the stupid shit to get the experience. Everyone knows that they’re not going to take anyone else’s word for it.

The adults on those sitcoms, though, don’t have that excuse. They’re doing it for the laughs of the live studio audience.

And because adults make dubious life choices, too.

At least on TV, they do it for the plot.

Book ’em, Danno–Episode 61

Season 5 is winding down, but the cases are still going full-tilt. In “Will the Real Mr. Winkler Please Die?”, Five-O finds themselves in the middle of a spy mess, and in “Little Girl Blue”, a kidnapping turns into a stand-off.

Recording this episode was interesting because I had to stop in the middle of it to deal with real life things, the background noise during “Little Girl Blue” ended up being super annoying (sorry about that), and the soundclips for “Little Girl Blue” ended up a little borked and I couldn’t use most of the ones I wanted to. As a result, the episode is probably not my greatest.

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Let this glorious Steve fashion be a balm on this unfortunately produced episode.

Rerun Junkie Guest Star–Alan Fudge

Alan Fudge is a face you’ve probably seen because it’s no exaggeration to say that he’s been in just about everything. With 168 credits going back to 1972 on IMDB, his first listed credit is on Gunsmoke, which I feel sets him up perfectly for a career as “that guy”. Of course, this isn’t to disparage his talent. Mr. Fudge always shows up with his best game no matter what role he plays.

Though he often showed up on the same shows multiple times as different characters, he only had a handful of regular and recurring roles. He was CW Crawford on Man from Atlantis; Deputy Commissioner Kimbrough on Eischsied; Dr. Van Adams on Paper Dolls; and Lou Dalton on 7th Heaven, the longest running series of the bunch as the rest were short-lived.

What I appreciate about Alan Fudge is that he doesn’t necessarily look like he should be a bad guy -he sort of has an uptight executive/accountant vibe about him- but he can play a downright nasty individual.

One of my favorite bad guy roles he played was in the Season 2 episode of The A-Team, “Water, Water Everywhere”. He played a rich rancher attempting to push three disabled Vietnam vets off of their land in order to gain access to the spring water on it. Mr. Fudge’s character is already sent up to be a rat bastard. I mean, he has three disabled men beaten up in an attempt to muscle them off their land. But, he chooses to keep his diabolical nature low key, preferring to make him menacing in a quieter way, making him a more challenging enemy for the A-Team. Naturally, our heroes give him his much needed comeuppance, but he makes that comeuppance well-earned.

Even though Alan Fudge can play a fabulous villain, he can also swing completely in the other direction and play a character that you ache for. In the Season 4 M*A*S*H episode “Quo Vadis, Captain Chandler”, Mr. Fudge plays a soldier with a superficial head injury claiming to be Jesus Christ. Dr. Sidney Freedman is called in to determine whether or not the man is faking it. The sincerity with which Mr. Fudge plays Captain Chandler gives the audience little room to doubt that he’s a severely wounded man, and Dr. Freedman confirms our diagnosis. The war has so damaged him that he’s become a savior rather than continue to be a killer. Alan Fudge and Alan Arbus gift us with an incredible scene between the two characters leading to the memorable moment in which Captain Chandler responds to Dr. Freedman’s question of whether or not God answers all prayers with a well-time tear as he says, “Yes. Sometimes the answer is no.” It wrenches the heart every time.

He also has the distinction of showing up on the M*A*S*H spin-off AfterMash, albeit as a different character.

Due to Mr. Fudge’s talent, he appeared on a wide variety of shows.

He got daytime soapy on Santa Barbara, Days of Our Lives, and The Young and the Restless; he got nighttime soapy on Dallas, Falcon Crest, Dynasty, and Knots Landing; and got teen soapy on Beverly Hills, 90210 and Dawson’s Creek.

He sought medical help from Marcus Welby, MD, Trapper John, MD, and Doogie Howser, MD; and checked in for further treatment on St. Elsewhere, Diagnosis Murder, and Grey’s Anatomy.

He got on a first name basis with Lucas Tanner, Kate McShane, Lou Grant, Barnaby Jones, Matt Houston, and Sledge Hammer!; got on a last name basis with Banacek, Kojak, Petrocelli, Delvecchio, MacGyver, Mannix, Matlock, McCoy, Hunter, and Columbo; and took on the dynamic duos of Starsky and Hutch, McMillian and Wife, Simon & Simon, Cagney & Lacey, Scarecrow and Mrs. King, and Hardcastle and McCormick.

He continued a classic on Archie Bunker’s Place and brought a couple of other classics into the 80s on The Twilight Zone and Alfred Hitchcock Presents; ran into a couple of superheroes on Wonder Woman and The Greatest American Hero; and went out of this world on Alien Nation and Dark Skies.

He spent time with the family on The Waltons, Our House, and Home Improvement; flashed back on The Wonder Years and Quantum Leap; and hung out with Michael Landon on Little House on the Prairie and Highway to Heaven.

He traveled on Movin’ On, took flight on Wings, went north on Northern Exposure, and hit the beach on Baywatch; found trouble in paradise on Hawaii Five-O, Magnum PI, and Riptide; and spent time on the west coast on The Streets of San Francisco and LA Law.

He did martial arts on Kung Fu, rode around with Knight Rider, and fell with The Fall Guy; tangled with the law on The Rookies, Police Story, The Closer, and The District; went to work on The Office, discovered polyamory on Big Love, got introduced on How I Met Your Mother, and experienced heaven on Charlie’s Angels; and took on Jessica Fletcher more than once on Murder, She Wrote.

He may be a face you recognize from somewhere even if his name doesn’t immediately come to mind, but his talent and ability to play a range of characters makes Alan Fudge one of a kind. And we’re grateful that he’s been gracing us with his presence for decades.

Book ’em, Danno–Episode 60

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Season 5 begins to wind down with a couple of big plot episodes. Five-O has to untangle an impossible murder in “Here Today…Gone Tonight” and unknot a stock exchange heist in “The Odd Lot Caper”.

One thing I should have pointed out when discussing “Here Today…Gone Tonight” is that the number of people required to make this particular plot work was a lot and I don’t know how you’d keep them all quiet to ensure success. But that’s okay! This is fun and we’re having a good time. Not everything needs pedantic logic.

“The Odd Lot Caper”, on the other hand, does accurately reflect the absolute bullshit of a group project.

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Two men, two suits, two dynamite fashion choices. Steve was dressed to party, but Beaufort was not thinking he was going to be robbed when he picked that suit jacket that morning.

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Five Favorite Villains

I’ve made no secret that I love a good bad guy, someone to really make our good guys work with their nefarious, sometimes elaborate, plots. I make a distinction between villains and antagonists. Antagonists are the every day assholes that make a protagonist’s life more difficult. Villains do that, too, but typically less often and with a lot more razzle dazzle.

Here are five of my favorite villains in no particular order. Yes, I realize there are no women on this list. Maybe next time. Like I said, I do enjoy my villains.

Wo Fat (Hawaii Five-O)- I think it’s no surprise that this Chinese operative makes the list. He vexed Steve McGarrett for 12 seasons, always managing to elude justice until the very last episode of the series. Khigh Dhiegh plays the character with a sophistication and refined ruthlessness that plays well with Jack Lord’s upright lawman in the scenes they share, but makes for a believable, formidable foe even when they don’t cross paths. Wo Fat is a smart, cultured man with high expectations who isn’t afraid to make long-term plans, like investing YEARS into a plot to frame Steve. That’s the kind of job dedication you don’t get from your average criminal. He’s got an endless supply of henchmen, his own little submarine, and at least two doubles that we know about. He’s also got that drama kid drive for the theatrical. His plans never fail to be grand, even when they don’t need to be. He’s willing to go that extra mile to make it worth all of our whiles.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless (The Wild Wild West)- My favorite 19th century evil genius. I’ve written about Dr. Loveless in the past, so of course he’s going to end up on my list. Michael Dunn brought a charm to the character that elevated him to arch rival status. He took a certain joy and pride in pursuing his goals, and of course his goals involved becoming ruler of his own kingdom. Whether he was after California, the United States, or the world, Dr. Loveless’s scheme was sure to be as diabolical as it was eccentric. And he’s not going to spare any expense when trying to get rid of Jim West and Artemus Gordon. Hell, he tried to give West a premature burial at sea once. He also faked his own death. Dr. Loveless had a flair for the dramatic that even the biggest men couldn’t best.

Memmo Fierro (CSI: Miami)- A show as bonkers as CSI: Miami could get needed a recurring villain with some pizzazz. Enter Memmo Fierro. A member of the Mala Noche gang, he was first introduced in the fourth season as Marisol Delko Caine’s killer. He could have easily been a one-off character, but Memmo had style. And a lot of tattoos. He’s inked from the chin down and I’m sure that he somehow had more every time he appeared onscreen. Anyway, despite being put in prison, Memmo continued to be a thorn in Horatio Caine’s side thanks to his ability to escape prison for reasons ranging from finding out his daughter was being mistreated in foster care to exacting some Mala Noche revenge. And if that meant disguising himself as an old white man, then baby, he was all in. The interesting thing about Memmo is that he started as a ruthless killer, but every subsequent appearance reveals him to be more than that. Robert LaSardo gave dimension to what could have been a one-dimensional character, a bit of humanity to the cold blood killer. He’s never really redeemed, but when Horatio declines to take the opportunity to get rid of him once in for all, you understand why. And just because there’s a sort of…truce?…between the two men, doesn’t diminish Memmo in the least. He’s still bad ass. And probably scheming.

Michael (Stargate: Atlantis)- One of my favorite things about Stargate: Atlantis is how often the peril our heroes face is their own damned fault. The living embodiment of just because you can doesn’t mean you should is Michael, a Wraith the Atlantis crew captured and then turned into a human. It probably would have worked out fine if they could have kept up the “Oh, you’re just a soldier with amnesia” routine, except Michael found out who he really was and saw footage of his torture and transformation. It should come as no surprise that he didn’t take it well. Connor Trineer does an amazing job at portraying the pain of the betrayal that pushed Michael over the edge. Michael’s escape led to him reverting to something of a Wraith/Human hybrid that wasn’t accepted by anyone, so he decided to just fuck shit up. His grandest plan was to create his own race of Wraith/Human hybrids, but he did also manage to take over Atlantis once. Then again, who didn’t? We might not agree with what Michael does, but we all understand exactly why he’s doing it. And even though he was presumed dead before the series came to an end, you have to think that maybe…just maybe…we’d see him again.

King Tut (Batman)- Like I could make this list without naming a Batman villain. It might not be the popular choice with Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, and Riddler around, but King Tut is my guy. First of all, he’s not actually a villain. He’s an Egyptology professor who gets hit on the head and becomes one of Batman’s most theatrical foes, which given the Gotham City bad guys, is no easy feat. It’s Batman, so of course the plots have to be over the top, bordering on ridiculous, but when executed by a big man who thinks he’s a long dead Egyptian ruler with a penchant for one-liners and tantrums, well, they’re just that much more over the top. In the hands of Victor Buono, this baddie chewed scenery like he was at an all you can eat buffet and the dining was too good. King Tut could never best the Caped Crusader and Boy Wonder, but he will always be the royal ruler of camp.

As always, if you don’t like my list, feel free to make your own.

Book ’em, Danno–Episode 59

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Season 5 rolls on with two more episodes that are slightly different from the usual Hawaii Five-O format.

First, Five-O is charged with providing a couple of witnesses with a wedding and a honeymoon while protecting them from a mob boss in “Thanks for the Honeymoon”. Slight trigger warning for animal death in the episode. It’s brief in both the episode and in the discussion.

Then Five-O must track down a malicious stalker in “The Listener”. Full blown trigger warning for suicide in “The Listener.” It’s a major scene in the episode, so I talk about it for a bit.

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Get your good clothes on. We’re going to a wedding. Just look at this bridal party.

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Where Do Your Sympathies Lie?

Minor trigger warning for mentions of sexual assault.

Something I frequently encounter while watching my cop shows are the grey moral areas that our heroes wander into. Specifically -at least for this post- I’m thinking of the victims and culprits and the audience’s perception of them.

For example, in the Hawaii Five-O episode “Little Girl Blue”, the two men who kidnap the little girl of the title aren’t your typical hardened criminals. Luther -played by Ron Feinberg- is a 6ft 7in beast of a man who has the mental equivalency of a child thanks to a brain injury incurred during his service in Vietnam. Meanwhile, Frank -played by Jackie Coogan- is a former orderly with a bad heart and considered the brains of the operation only because he’s at least functioning at an adult level. It’s not quite a Lenny and George scenario from Of Mice and Men, but it has that flavor.

We know from the initial kidnapping that these aren’t your ordinary criminals. The two men take the time to wrap the little girl up in a blanket and put her slippers on her. In fact, if their getaway hadn’t been interrupted, little Debbie would have been treated to a picnic while waiting for the ransom to be paid and everything to work out. None of the violence we saw would have happened if that cop hadn’t pulled Luther and Frank over. And really, the only reason Luther panicked in the first place was because the cop asked him for his license and he didn’t have one. It’s just an unfortunate series of events that land these two guys in hotter water than they’d intended to boil.

You just kinda feel bad for these guys. Obviously, Luther’s diminished capacity and Frank’s bad heart and bad choices don’t absolve them of their behavior, but you’re not exactly rooting for Five-O to come down hard on them.

Or maybe the audience was back when this episode aired in 1973. Maybe the deaths of two cops was enough to erase any shred of sympathy the viewer might feel for Luther and Frank. Or maybe when the kidnapping went sideways and Debbie was crying for her mom, maybe that was enough to alienate the viewers and have them rooting for Luther and Frank to get what was coming to them.

Or maybe they felt just as torn about it then as we do now. Or at least I do.

Then there’s the flip side. When the victim isn’t that great and you’re kind of not sorry they’re dead.

In the CSI: Miami episode “Forced Entry” a burglar/rapist gets what he gives in the exact fashion that he gave it. Only, he didn’t kill his victims. Instead, one of them kills herself and it looks very much like the grieving husband might have exacted revenge. Who else would know how the victims were bound, gagged, and assaulted so that they could recreate it with such detail?

The husband in question points out how cruel it is that the police are more concerned with finding the killer of his wife’s rapist than they are with his wife’s assault, which led to her suicide. And it is a cruel. Even Speed says that killing this piece of shit should earn the husband a medal if he did it. I’m on Speed’s side here. My guy played around and lost big. Oh well.

But that’s not how these sorts of episodes work. We might be on the side of the killer, but as it’s pointed out, it’s not the killer’s job to dispense justice. I don’t know about that. I think they didn’t a pretty good job here.

Okay, yes, there’s the whole concept that nobody deserves to die, and maybe that’s true, but that doesn’t mean we have to feel bad when some vile garbage gets their comeuppance. We’re not in the wrong to save our sympathy for the killer when justice is served because it feels like it’s being served to the wrong person.

These sort of muddy moral waters are interesting because of how they age. Some are timeless. Some switches the sympathies, swinging them around from the original, intended person to someone else. Just look at hippies. They were the villains in many cop shows back in the day, particularly Dragnet. Nowadays, though, you’d probably find more people on their side than on Joe Friday’s. Especially when it comes to marijuana.

I love exploring these moral grey episodes. They make me angry and they make me uncomfortable and they make me think and it’s fascinating to see how that shade of grey can turn black or white over time.

In the end, I find it quite colorful.

Book ’em, Danno–Episode 58

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It’s time for my favorite episode of Season 5, which means the illustrious Dan Budnik of Eventually Supertrain fame is back to talk criminal couples with me for the episodes “I’m a Family Crook -Don’t Shoot!” and “The Child Stealers”.

I’m pleased to report that this time I didn’t have to do any heavy editing. You will get all of our thoughts on both episodes as well as bonus thoughts on child stealing, con artistry, and Cohen Brothers movies. Does that make for an extra long episode? Absolutely! But every single second is magical. You won’t be disappointed.

And if you are, I don’t want to hear about it.

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Spoiler Warning! Dan and I talk episode endings from about 51:39 to 1:08:18 and 1:48:22 to 1:58:48.

Please enjoy the Lovejoys and Nina and Gar. Yes, his name is Gar. Dan and I discuss that at length.

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